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Old 12-01-2018, 01:40 PM
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Dino,

Can you shed some light on when the latest generation of edges were released?

trying to determine if I should try some new ones....

Jim
The latest die and upgrade was 6 years ago.
Before moving the factory to FL.

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Old 12-08-2018, 12:36 PM
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I'll end this by saying I just received new edges yesterday and am happy with the result. They are a different shape from my previous edges, which I said were from 2013 but I think they were really from before that. Anyway, the new edges don't move away from the cut line like my previous edges did. They slide around in the rails like the original edges did, but that is easily remedied with a piece of tape put on the bottom. So, that is not an issue to me. Problem solved.

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Old 12-08-2018, 08:29 PM
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I'll end this by saying I just received new edges yesterday and am happy with the result. They are a different shape from my previous edges, which I said were from 2013 but I think they were really from before that. Anyway, the new edges don't move away from the cut line like my previous edges did. They slide around in the rails like the original edges did, but that is easily remedied with a piece of tape put on the bottom. So, that is not an issue to me. Problem solved.
you may notice the scribe lines. you can use a utility knife to trim them.
I suggest a quick pass with a sandpaper to avoid any scratching.
yes, they slide in and out easily and you can crimp them if you like.
many ways to fix the moving that don't effect anything.

Keep your old edges for Non skid tape and sliding features.
You can tape a clear piece of plastic and mark your bevels.
You can screw the track in place when cutting vertically or in the floor.

Or, you can spend $1.000? yearly for the NST, Rubber strips and
colored glide strips.
Easy to tell when the tool was designed for profits.
Cost of replacement strips every year due to cold and heat....?????

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Old 12-09-2018, 02:16 PM
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I look at FOG about once a week for the last few years don't think I've ever seen complaints about edges etc. Did a search on that forum and did find complaints from years ago about adhesive issues with edges. Sounds like Festool got together with 3M the adhesive manufacturer and got it sorted.
Looked at the cost of the edges, didn't look that bad if you buy it in their larger roll. I'd think if users were spending big $$ on edges etc there'd be mention of it on their forum.


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you may notice the scribe lines. you can use a utility knife to trim them.
I suggest a quick pass with a sandpaper to avoid any scratching.
yes, they slide in and out easily and you can crimp them if you like.
many ways to fix the moving that don't effect anything.

Keep your old edges for Non skid tape and sliding features.
You can tape a clear piece of plastic and mark your bevels.
You can screw the track in place when cutting vertically or in the floor.

Or, you can spend $1.000? yearly for the NST, Rubber strips and
colored glide strips.
Easy to tell when the tool was designed for profits.
Cost of replacement strips every year due to cold and heat....?????

tx for posting.
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Old 12-09-2018, 07:22 PM
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Sean I once worked in a cabinet shop that had Festool saw and track and we had the same problem with their edges! Any time you would cut into a hard knot or feed a little fast the saw blade would vibrate causing it to cut some of the edge , just like my eureka zone track saw system. This has to be expected! I think the edges work fine now. At least we have two edges to use on the same track. I use one edge thatís been abused for my bevel side and the best edge for my 90 degree cuts.
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Old 12-10-2018, 03:43 PM
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I look at FOG about once a week for the last few years don't think I've ever seen complaints about edges etc. Did a search on that forum and did find complaints from years ago about adhesive issues with edges. Sounds like Festool got together with 3M the adhesive manufacturer and got it sorted.
Looked at the cost of the edges, didn't look that bad if you buy it in their larger roll. I'd think if users were spending big $$ on edges etc there'd be mention of it on their forum.
sean, Are you expecting people to post all issues with their Green and yellow tracks after they have spend thousands ?

Look at the effort and design in the tracks and edges.
bi-directional. The first ever with a patent.( easier to use, no trying to hold the saw down while pushing
using the wrong hand and your body is in awkward position)
Good for left and right hand people. Good for all tools from 4" to 16" blades.

Look at the clamping. down to 1/4" narrow strips.
Look at the repeaters and cabinetmakers. later copied by Festool
after they call ea users ..( minions)
Look at the attempts and damage that they started misinform the customers
that the ez system makes the guard unusable
(A Lie from one of their trolls and later he become a reviewer and manufacturing of Festool Jigs stuff.

and the AC-1 and 2 was
just another dinky to lose....After they copy few ez-innovations and many editors, users, fanatics and bloggers with free tools and vacations...

They stopped the ez wave at the tracks. If we had any review from magazines
they increase advertising to the max. and later I wasn't able to send any ez tool for reviews.

please, don't forget that we use to offer the "ez challenge" for years.
A side by side perform competition by a third party.
Not only they never take it to clear the air but they send free tools to
a Troll who posted that he will visit me and pay me and "teach me"
I provided detail directions and a G-maP with working hours.
The Big Green Man...never showed up.

I'm still waiting for a side by side review by a third party.
Fine Nomebuilding reviewed few tracksaw systems with EZ and Festool included.
EZ was best in all areas. Connection, cleanest cut with complete antichip protection. better clamping and in just about any area.

The results: F was #1.
ez was upthere but never mentioned. Instead they put #2 another straight edge and the owner of Hartville tools cannot believe it.

Anyway, now with the future integration of traditional machinery and
the track saw benefits... The Hybrid system...they will have nothing to compare. We need honest feedback. The good and bad in order to achive the best possible tool system.

Yes, i'm upset with copy cats and IP thief's.
Like Kreg's handshake deal in my shop. Dewalt and few others.
Imagine sending 2.000 worth of tools to a demonstrator in order to promote ez only to copy almost all features.
Imagine sending $15.000.00 in UK to an ez-dealer...only to find out that he
is using ez to sell Festool while talking very bad about EZ.
Imagine the dealer policies that Big companies have in place in order to keep out any small and better competition.

Think about that.
The tracksaw systems like Festool installed 2 glide strips on the tracks.
Why not use a short one in the saws?
money,money,money.

Some even advertise that you can use the plunge saws for framing lumber.
( Not Festool) They actually come up with a framers saw now.
Think about the different kerf blades..
With ez you only need a thin kerf for all cuts due to perfect antichip protection.
Try the 18 teeth to rip lumber because their motors are not strong enough
to cut hardwood with a normal $10.00 blade.
Do you think the rubber strip is not harmed? Is destroyed.

I can go on and on. Just provide me with ideas and good solutions.
I know you have plenty and nothing can beat the collective strength of the ez guys. There is no issue that cannot fixed on the ez-tracks..
Box extrusions are double the cost to extrude and the dies cost 3 times more than single layer tracks. But their prrice is more than ez's custom extrusion that required 3 years of developing, testing and more testing. 5 dies for one track.
Look at the original ez track that was way better than the one we use now.
We was forced to make the change due to misinformation wars by
the Festool gang.

But don't worry about all the above. you can use ez tracks and stuff with festool
I actually started using Festool saw and routers. I wanted the best.
But when I learn to pull back the saw after each cut...it was hard to keep plunging against a spring all day.
Try to use a spring in the rear is much easier.
If you like Festool, go for their carpenter saw. Plunging is bad and we had many kick-backs due to negative engagement of the blade.
Hilti talked about that but when the E-267 ( one of best saws ever made)
become the best ez saw...it was pulled out of the US market.
You cannot compete with the Germans. Period.

Please, search. Cut tracks or cut rails.
Or Kick-back with a plunge saw.


https://www.google.com/search?q=plun...hrome&ie=UTF-8

This is my very last post about ez and others.
but thanks for the review and feedbacks. we need them.
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