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Old 05-17-2013, 02:56 PM
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Let's say you have no tools, want to rip some plywood, and decide you want to buy the necessary equipment. With EZ You choose the UEG and a Makita 5008MGA EZ-ready. Cost is about $425. With The green one, you need to buy the saw (comes with one rail), Connectors, A second rail, and Parallel guides. Cost is a little over $1,000. That is more than twice what the EZ Gear cost and you can only rip up to 8'.

This illustrates Dino desire to make woodworking more affordable. Even using UEG vs 9' of EZ rail again saves you more than 50%. What other company comes out with new equipment that actually decreases you investment in tools.

As time goes on, we're going to see the cost of woodworking the EZ way become easier and cheaper!


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Old 05-18-2013, 01:03 PM
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To be fair, with the UEG you can only make cuts parallel your indexing edge, so no tapers or straightening uneven edges. And you can't crosscut the pieces you just ripped. Things you could do with the Festool stuff. To compare EZ to that I'd think a 118" track kit, repeaters and saw for about $750. Still a significant savings


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Let's say you have no tools, want to rip some plywood, and decide you want to buy the necessary equipment. With EZ You choose the UEG and a Makita 5008MGA EZ-ready. Cost is about $425. With The green one, you need to buy the saw (comes with one rail), Connectors, A second rail, and Parallel guides. Cost is a little over $1,000. That is more than twice what the EZ Gear cost and you can only rip up to 8'.

This illustrates Dino desire to make woodworking more affordable. Even using UEG vs 9' of EZ rail again saves you more than 50%. What other company comes out with new equipment that actually decreases you investment in tools.

As time goes on, we're going to see the cost of woodworking the EZ way become easier and cheaper!


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Old 05-18-2013, 01:11 PM
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To be fair, with the UEG you can only make cuts parallel your indexing edge, so no tapers or straightening uneven edges. And you can't crosscut the pieces you just ripped. Things you could do with the Festool stuff. To compare EZ to that I'd think a 118" track kit, repeaters and saw for about $750. Still a significant savings
I agree with Sean

to be fair we have to look into job by job and task by task capabilities.

A. cutting 4x8 panels to size for open boxes( cabinets):
1, we need to rip
2. square and cut to size.

that will make a fair comparison and educate people.
the same time we have to look at the results.
cleaner cuts-straighter cuts-square cuts.
cost of blades?

one thing that is always forgotten is the saw.
the normal saws can be used on and off the tracks.
Plunge saw off the tracks are super dangerous and to pass the UL law...they always must sell the saw with the track....
never mind that they never say that to the new users...
DON"T USE THE PLUNGE SAWS FOR FREE HAND CUTS...Guarantee kickback...!!!!!

many variables and good to do a comparison including all saws and tracksaw makers?


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Old 05-18-2013, 02:13 PM
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I think it's important to have versatility. If all you want to do is make cab parts you mostly need to make square cuts in 3/4" ply. For me and I'm sure a lot of other users that aren't cabinetmakers we do all sorts of different cuts in different materials. I cut ply up to about 1/2" and timber from 3/4" to as thick as I can. I do a lot of boat work, nothing is square, I cut a lot of tapers. I'd still like to have a long track. For the same reason I cut a lot of bevels, it seems like the speaker cabinet guys cut a lot of bevels. I still cut all my bevels on my TS, it'd be nice not to but at this point that's what works best.
Everyone's needs are different, the key is developing a system that covers the most needs.
I don't know about anyone else but I have my on track saws and my off track saws. Wouldn't even think of using my EZ saw off the track.

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I agree with Sean

to be fair we have to look into job by job and task by task capabilities.

A. cutting 4x8 panels to size for open boxes( cabinets):
1, we need to rip
2. square and cut to size.

that will make a fair comparison and educate people.
the same time we have to look at the results.
cleaner cuts-straighter cuts-square cuts.
cost of blades?

one thing that is always forgotten is the saw.
the normal saws can be used on and off the tracks.
Plunge saw off the tracks are super dangerous and to pass the UL law...they always must sell the saw with the track....
never mind that they never say that to the new users...
DON"T USE THE PLUNGE SAWS FOR FREE HAND CUTS...Guarantee kickback...!!!!!

many variables and good to do a comparison including all saws and tracksaw makers?


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Old 05-18-2013, 02:29 PM
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I don't know about anyone else but I have my on track saws and my off track saws. Wouldn't even think of using my EZ saw off the track.
Agreed 100%
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Old 05-18-2013, 03:46 PM
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Agreed 100%

Yes but the reason is you can and there is know reason not
to use your EZ saw off the track. Unless you have or want to use a different one. Track saw's are dedicated saw's and can only be used with a track
safe that is I'm sure there are guys that do use off track for some reasons.
EZ allows the use of one saw for both and that on it's own saves money.

So my point is you can and it is safe to use your EZ saw setup what ever
saw is installed on or off the track. Unless it is a dedicated track saw.
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Old 05-18-2013, 03:59 PM
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Ok, I just thought about it...
the ueg comes with a set of repeaters?
with 28" capacity and extendable if needed using the connectors from your
ez tracksaw system?

In the long run the most integrated system is going to be be the one that
can do more with much less.....

all ez extrusions have the same design and all ez tools work with all....
that is the ez promise...backwards comparable and forwards thinking...

I just finished the new b2b smart table requested by many ez-guys.
with heavy input from the ez table master...Burt and Dr Joe....

tx guys.
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Old 05-18-2013, 04:34 PM
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Agreed 100%
This is where converting the EZ track into the euro style track and using the Hilti is nice. There is nothing to add or take away from the saw. On the negative side, you don't get the benefits of the EZ Inserts.

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Old 05-18-2013, 05:10 PM
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This is where converting the EZ track into the euro style track and using the Hilti is nice. There is nothing to add or take away from the saw. On the negative side, you don't get the benefits of the EZ Inserts.

Burt
I was considering the euro track modification so i can feel good about having a "truly integrated" track saw, as well has having the extra depth.

In the end i decided i may just pick up a 5104 when it comes time to cut the really thick stuff. I'm only going to be working with sheet goods and 2x lumber for glueup table tops, so the hilti + smart base still work out fine for me. Of course, that's what i think right now... who knows how i'll feel in another month.
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Old 05-18-2013, 05:14 PM
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I just finished the new b2b smart table requested by many ez-guys.
with heavy input from the ez table master...Burt and Dr Joe....

tx guys.
d
Can't wait to see it.

Perfect timing for all of these table developments. I'm still planning out my PBB. I have 5 weeks to get set up.
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