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Old 10-07-2017, 09:47 PM
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Just when I had about decided to go back to the table saw . . . Thanks for the info, but I didn't find a Rebuilding Sale. Is there another website besides Eurekazone.com?

Sounds like you are really sold on EZ products. I've seen the EZ-1 Max video, as well as just about all of the EZ product videos. I think a combination of the EZ-One and the EZ-1 Max connected someway in an L-shaped configuration would handle just about everything I'd ever need/want to do, but that'd be quite expensive.

Do you know if their Super Smart Router Kit can be attached to the UEG? I do a lot of dados in plywood cabinet backs and sides for shelves. Those must match up perfectly. I guess that wouldn't work, though, for dados more than 24" from the top or bottom.

I'm still kicking this around for a while.
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Old 10-07-2017, 11:24 PM
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Ha! Yeah, today the Rebuilding Sale is no longer listed on the web site. It was there yesterday. It had been on since just a few days after the hurricane bumped into Florida (Eurekazone is located in Florida) and I was kind of surprised it stayed that long.

Several folks have discussed the possibility of Eurekazone making what would essentially by a plain smooth Smart Base - without the setup for the circular saw - on which a router or planer could be mounted as needed by the user and then that could be attached to the UEG arms. So far that has not come out.

The Super Smart Router Kit (SSRK) will not attach to the UEG. It is designed to run along a guide rail extrusion. Several of the Eurekazone videos show this pretty well. Having and using different lengths of extrusion gives you the flexibility to handle different dimensions of materials being routed. I have several 50" lengths (an older size that was sold), a 64" (because I think that's best for cutting across the 48" width of plywood), and a 25" length that I use with the EZ Smart Square (though I think a 36" length guide rail would be better - then again the 48" rail would do OK if I positioned it to balance well).

For very repeatable positioning of dados on a large panel I think the EZ-One's 6-way stops will do a fantastic job of placing each of the panels in the exact same place on the table surface - relative to the guide rail. Then you can use the 72" guide rail to run the SSRK (with router attached). If you needed to do mirror images then you could buy a few additional 6-way stops and use both sides of the guide rail (left and right side). Heck, you could use the Y-Limit Stops that are used with the SSRK too.

If the material being routed sticks too far off to one side or the other Eurekazone sells extensions for the squaring and sliding rails that extend the width of the table (you add your own 2x4 legs). I don't have those extensions ... yet.

I have a Bosch 1617 router package that came with a fixed base and a plunge base. I chose to purchase a second plunge base and attached that to the SSRK, so that I can use the router with the original bases (non-EZ) or with the SSRK. Not sure if that was necessary, but it kept my options open.

By the way, I do think the EZ-One makes a pretty amazing clamp table too. Heck, you can even use the channels on the outside top extrusions to clamp material. Some of the folks who post here do amazing things with those extrusions - creating their own setups and jigs to do whatever is needed. The table's end & side rails have the SSME's dovetail channel on both sides, while the squaring & sliding rails have the SSME's dovetail channels facing upward and downward. Not exactly sure if anyone's used the bottom one, but of course the top one is the key to using the 6-way stops and any of the other smart clamps and bench clamps.

The used EZ-One I purchased came with a big assortment of both types of clamps - I was a very lucky buyer.

Clearly lots of people out there use table saws for much of their key woodworking cuts, and a bunch of them get bit in one way or another. I've been sooo tempted several times to purchase a Bosch 4100 table saw, but I choose not to put myself in that position. When younger I was cutting a tree limb with a bow saw when the blade did just one jump off the wood and onto my left index finger. Luckily there was no long-term damage, but just that one little bump of the blade took plenty of stitches. I've seen pictures of what a table saw blade will do. On top of that there's the kickback thing - that you've had the "pleasure" of experiencing. I hope I never find myself in the path of a wood missile.

I wish you the best in your decision-making. Money doesn't come easy, and I for one encourage you to choose the path that is right for you. That's the important thing.

Ken K.
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Old 10-09-2017, 12:43 PM
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I appreciate the responses so far, but I'm still a little skeptical about investing in this system. The website has a tab for weekly specials, but I have not seen anything there since I've begun seriously considering EZ. Also, some of their packages are more expensive than simply buying the pieces individually. The latest one, for example, is the table with the folding legs and the ultimate clamping set, with shipping. The shipping would have to be over $100 for that package to save you any money. It just doesn't seem the company puts much thought into their business plan or website. That makes me wonder if this company is about to go under. Again, I really want to like this system, but I'm looking at a $1000 to $2000 investment. That's a lot of money to me, and it'd buy a nice Grizzly cabinet table saw. I know I can accomplish what I want to do using a table saw. The EZ system and business are still unknows to me.
Hi Red.
Welcome to the forum.
I read and re-read your post few times...
You're 100% correct with your math and logic.
The company endure few changes, relocation and some bad management.
We're aware of all the above ( Thanks for your post) and we will do the
right moves and changes.
No. EZ is not going under. Instead, we're looking at fixing any and all issues to run the company the right way and stay loyal to our long time customers.
Actually, I call them....the EZ Guys.
they all deserve to see ez alive and better.

back to your tech concerns and hesitation.
soon, we will deal with the TS VS EZ issue ( and tracksaws in general)
the EZ system has plenty to offer in woodworking safety-accuracy and
space-speed etc etc... requirements to be the first to consider.

A whole new EZ will arise from this forum and the feedback and support of
so many believers to the DWC ( Dead Wood Concept)
To make it even easier and faster to ...get your hard earned money...
ez will offer a whole new way ( Hybrid system) where the tracksaw will be
able to work like a tablesaw and vise versa....
In top of it...a whole new way to make all our tools more affordable
is under works for few years now.

I can see where you coming from but I want to assure you that
better days are in front of us.

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Old 10-10-2017, 01:57 AM
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Dino

Thanks for the response. I'm looking forward to seeing what's coming. I like the Dead Wood Concept, primarily due to the improved safety over a table saw, but I haven't been ready to invest yet. I'll be keeping a close eye on the website over the next month or so.
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Old 10-22-2017, 11:31 PM
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I have only posted in this forum a few times and haven't posted at all in probably a few years. I check in every once in a while to see if anything new has been developed by EZ.....specifically a genuine track saw. I wish someone would have told me what I'm about to tell you. If you are expecting table saw accuracy and repeat ability with this system you will be disappointed and very frustrated. There are users on this forum that say they get table saw quality cuts but I never could. For reference I am a red seal collision repair tech(30yrs) employed at a Cadillac dealership and constantly repair vehicles folded up like an accordion to within two millimeters of factory measurements but for the life of me couldn't get repeatable square cuts with this system. And I didn't just try a couple things.....I tried for a year, including purchasing the makita saw that was recommended by EZ boosting my investment in the system by another $150. The fact is a circular saw is not stable enough to go across the track exactly the same way every time you make a cut. Is it just a coincidence that Festool, Dewalt, Makita, Mafell track saws all use the same basic design of saw ?? You will get members on here telling you that if you stand this way and push the saw that way and do this and do that then you can achieve what you are looking for, but is that what you want? Maybe if you have a robot arm to push the saw across the track you can do it the exact same every time....I couldn't. I was invested in the EZ system and kept waiting for them to come out with a real track saw to fix the biggest weakness of the system. I built my kitchen cabinets with their system and a makita 5007 mg( I have a thread in the cabinet making section - Corner base cabinets with drawers). The system worked fine for making my boxes and drawers which were actually pretty complicated. But when it came time to make five piece doors and drawer fronts it was unusable and I ended up buying the Makita track saw and couldn't be happier.
The EZ setup could not make square cuts on the door parts which led to a major issue when trying to profile the cut parts on a router table. Fit up was terrible. I could have used the router table as a jointer and squared up all my cuts, but by this point I was more than p***ed about the results I was getting and decided to go to a real track saw. I am not trying to dissuade you, I am just letting you know what my expectations were and what my actual results were. Do your homework....search the forum for topics like "square won't stay square", "un square cuts", "saw flex". Good Luck
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Old 10-23-2017, 10:49 AM
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I have only posted in this forum a few times and haven't posted at all in probably a few years. I check in every once in a while to see if anything new has been developed by EZ.....specifically a genuine track saw. I wish someone would have told me what I'm about to tell you. If you are expecting table saw accuracy and repeat ability with this system you will be disappointed and very frustrated. There are users on this forum that say they get table saw quality cuts but I never could. For reference I am a red seal collision repair tech(30yrs) employed at a Cadillac dealership and constantly repair vehicles folded up like an accordion to within two millimeters of factory measurements but for the life of me couldn't get repeatable square cuts with this system. And I didn't just try a couple things.....I tried for a year, including purchasing the makita saw that was recommended by EZ boosting my investment in the system by another $150. The fact is a circular saw is not stable enough to go across the track exactly the same way every time you make a cut. Is it just a coincidence that Festool, Dewalt, Makita, Mafell track saws all use the same basic design of saw ?? You will get members on here telling you that if you stand this way and push the saw that way and do this and do that then you can achieve what you are looking for, but is that what you want? Maybe if you have a robot arm to push the saw across the track you can do it the exact same every time....I couldn't. I was invested in the EZ system and kept waiting for them to come out with a real track saw to fix the biggest weakness of the system. I built my kitchen cabinets with their system and a makita 5007 mg( I have a thread in the cabinet making section - Corner base cabinets with drawers). The system worked fine for making my boxes and drawers which were actually pretty complicated. But when it came time to make five piece doors and drawer fronts it was unusable and I ended up buying the Makita track saw and couldn't be happier.
The EZ setup could not make square cuts on the door parts which led to a major issue when trying to profile the cut parts on a router table. Fit up was terrible. I could have used the router table as a jointer and squared up all my cuts, but by this point I was more than p***ed about the results I was getting and decided to go to a real track saw. I am not trying to dissuade you, I am just letting you know what my expectations were and what my actual results were. Do your homework....search the forum for topics like "square won't stay square", "un square cuts", "saw flex". Good Luck
Same exact experience here plus some other frustrations. I’m not saying that some people may not be able to make it work for them – I'm saying that I couldn’t make it work for me. I bought one of the rail system to work with – not work on it to make it work. I was fortunate that I purchased from a vendor that has a 90 return policy. I also just purchased the Makita, which is what I really wanted to do in the first place, and I also couldn’t be happier.
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Old 10-23-2017, 01:44 PM
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Sounds like one of ez's greatest strengths is also one of its weaknesses. While you can pick any saw to suit your budget (unlike Festool forcing you to buy $500+ saw), you'll get inconsistent accuracy.

Seems best of both worlds is ez-one with euro track and the appropriate euro saw to go with it? Perfect bevels, perfect dust collection, and no depth issues. Only need to solve the issue of the blade hitting the bridge arm when doing bevels.
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Old 10-23-2017, 03:04 PM
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Man, I sure understand where MHB and 807 are coming from. My EZ has finally worn me down, too many inconsistencies, too much time spent trying to figure out how to make it do the job. I've gotten to the point that unless I'm cutting up big panels I'm back to using my TS. I can walk up to it, set it, make my cut and get on with what's next.
Now I've got all this EZ stuff sitting there and me kicking myself for making a lousy investment.
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Old 10-23-2017, 04:05 PM
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Thanks for the comments on more of the negative side of the system. Getting both sides of things is always good. I have thought about going the Makita track saw route for breaking down the sheet goods, and then move to a table saw with these smaller, more manageable sizes. I do see some advantages in using the EZ, but I'm not sure how often I would be making the type of cuts where EZ beats a table saw. EZ does seem safer, though. Still mulling it over while they get the coupon issue resolved.
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Old 10-23-2017, 05:30 PM
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Man, I sure understand where MHB and 807 are coming from. My EZ has finally worn me down, too many inconsistencies, too much time spent trying to figure out how to make it do the job. I've gotten to the point that unless I'm cutting up big panels I'm back to using my TS. I can walk up to it, set it, make my cut and get on with what's next.
Now I've got all this EZ stuff sitting there and me kicking myself for making a lousy investment.
Sean, If you setup your shop the same way they setup your shop with traditional tools...using ez stuff...you avoid the issues...that you have.

Ez is multi functional tool and you cannot compare it to a stationary TS.
Unless you make a stationary ez-one or a stationary cross cutter etc etc using ez-stuff...you will go to th etool that is ready and setup for that task.

If you want to use a tablesaw you need an entire garage for infeed-outfeed-.
side support-sliding table? and many-many jigs. push sticks-featherboards tapered jigs and few more. even a micro jig and the grrripers?

I made a cross cutting table with stops and supports.
The bridge and a small track. Nothing like it and nobody can tell me that
any other tool works safer-easier and faster.
we use it for back-up in case the $10.000 Tiger stop ( computerized)
give us any issues.

The same can be done with a simple dedicated ez-one for all our cross cuts.
One 12" wide table that you can do your SLR and cut to size dimensional lumber without any issues.

I use $15-$20K EU sliders and I had to offset the fence to cut inaccurate in order to prevent kickbacks. There is nothing like working with total safety.
You fine safety first and everything else is better, faster and at very low cost.

Try one cross cut with any tool that you have and try ez. you will see the difference. You can use a $200.00 blade but the ez will give you cleaner cut with a simple Diable 40 teeth blade that you can find in HD

In the near future we may even start a division to make all tools better.
using ideas from ez the tablesaw will become as good as ez.
And the other way around. Ez is under redevelopment to become the first
Hybrid system that you can actually use it like a tablesaw but only smarter and safer.


It takes time to et your head around the DWC because is that simple and better. If you walk in a machine shop you don't see the machinist holding pieces of metal o a drill press. They use vises.
Well, the track is a giant vise and holds any type of materials an way you like.

But I understand your way of thinking. The tablesaw is there...ready and waiting for you. Much better. No hassles and 60K people in the emergency room every year makes you feel better.

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